For about 1 month I have thought of a unique way to record the deviations of the Ecs with a way that has never thought of before. This way is based on the concept of the deviation balance (Marigny etc). I m sure that Ego (that is an Ecs deviation guru will love this and will make him think of tweaking the concept(this is what I hope).Also math guys will like it. The only person that knows about it is Malcop.He is a person that I respect. I explained him the concept and he made some Excel sheets to test it faster.I really thank him about his time and effort. The concept works very nice most of the times but it has times that has some downs(not many). It s based only the Ecs flat betting. We experienced a lot of times wins of +40 chips with only a Br of 10-15 chips. The reason I would like to expose this concept is because I would like to give new air to the forum and also chat each other to see if it can be more accurate…. I remember ego a lot of times saying that Marigny is like doing VB on the Ecs(as closer we can get) and this concept of mine is giving a 3d dimension to this betting accuracy. Gentlemen sit tight I am sure this concept will be loved and will be discussed a lot over the next weeks/months/years.
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Let me tell you that I started playing with this concept in my casino with pen and paper and win lots of visits at least +10 chips with Br of just 5-6 chips and this is why I needed to have a program to test it faster and if would be proved a long run winner to make a mobile program and take it in the casino in order to play all the ecs together…(because the tracking of it is pretty hard and time consuming)
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I need to tell you ppl that IF anyone will like to use this concept and play he will sure need a code/tracker to do so….it s not an easy and fast tracking. The POINT of this thread is for all of us to think of the best way to apply this concept of when to bet in order to gain the best accuracy on the bets(if this can happen…because as we know spins are independent) I also need to tell you that after Malcop post of the concept I will delete all the previous posts in order for having a shorter and clean thread to work on. thank you.
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I want for 1 more time to remind that : When the concept will be posted the prosedure should be like this 1)Comment the concept of if its good or not 2)Post opinions oh how we can take the best advantage of it by making a system 3)Then if you like you can test the sheets But the priority is to find the best way to apply the concept…so don’t wait for ready systems…(Sam hold your horses :P)although we have made a few and we will also post them.
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The members that will follow the topic and understand the consent will see and witness of WHAT THE RANDOMNESS OF A ROULETTE WHEEL CAN DO. Meaning that you will be able to see how many and how much deviations the randomness can produce at the same time(you will underrate when u will test and observe) No recording concept has ever go so deep into randomness So even if no winning system will be produced from this concept a serious education will be made. I for sure changed a lot in my mind about the deviations and i realized more than ever in my skin the how much indepemdent every spin is. anyway lets hope all of us will make something good(system) from this
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“It’s all in the Dot’s…….”
That’s what MOP said to me when he introduced me to his Bet Selection concept.
I remember him telling me on Skype get a piece of paper and follow what I explain to you, I would be lying if I did not say I was totally confused, I sort of grasped what he was saying but not fully, so I told him the best way forward was if we just broke it down into stages, I would code the spreadsheet one stage at a time and by doing so learn and fully understand his method as we go along.
That way of learning MOP’s method worked for me, lets see if we can make the learning process an easy and painless process.
At the start of this I said “It’s all in the Dot’s.” and so it is, when MOP first explained this to me we it was with 6 Events as the development went on it expanded to 9 Events, “What’s an Event?” I hear you say, your about to find out. Lets start of with some spins to start us off, and for the purpose of this example we will be using
Red & Black.
Spin 1: 5 (R)
Spin 2: 3 (R)
Spin 3: 20 (B)
Spin 4: 4 (B)
Spin 5: 23 (R)
Spin 6: 6 (B)
Spin 7: 21 (R)
Spin 8: 1 (R)
Spin 9: 31 (B)
Because we are using 9 Events we collect the first 9 spins, for clarification Spin 1 is the furthest
back and Spin 9 the most recent. The first 9 spins will be the foundation of our 9 events, also each event has R & C associated with it, R=Run & C=Change(or Same/Opposite)
As a side not one of the cool things about this is R & C, could instead be W & L, Win & Loss, with
that you could use it to track your favorite bet selection, I created a sheet using this idea using TBL
(Time Before Last), once you fully understand this idea you will see how you can use it for a
multitude of different ways. Anyway lets get back on track.
Spin 10: 11 (B)
Were using 9 events so and based on our paper example so we write out our 9 events like this.
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 RC RC RC RC RC RC RC RC RC
we are going to use the last spin 10, to update the 9 events, by comparing spin 10, to the previous 9 spins from 9 back to 1, I will be using x’s instead of dots for ease of display, and on the spreadsheets the dots will be a simple count for the runs or changes.
Spin 1: 5 (R)
Spin 2: 3 (R)
Spin 3: 20 (B)
Spin 4: 4 (B)
Spin 5: 23 (R)
Spin 6: 6 (B)
Spin 7: 21 (R)
Spin 8: 1 (R)
Spin 9: 31 (B)
Spin 10: 11 (B)
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 RC RC RC RC RC RC RC RC RC x x x x x x x x x (Red)
After spin 10, the above is what we have for our Run & Changes for the 9 events, this is how I got there.
What we are doing is comparing the last spin outcome, spin 10, to the previous 9 spins, from 9 to 1.
Event 1, compare spin 10(B), to spin 9(B), it’s a Run, B & B put an x under R for Event 1.
Event 2, compare spin 10(B), to spin 8(R), it’s a Change, B & R, put an x under C for Event 2.
Event 3, compare spin 10(B), to spin 7(R), it’s a Change, B & R, put an x under C for Event 3.
Event 4, compare spin 10(B), to spin 6(B), it’s a Run, B & B, put an x under R for Event 4.
Event 5, compare spin 10(B), to spin 5(R), it’s a Change, B & R, put an x under C for Event 5.
Event 6, compare spin 10(B), to spin 4(B), it’s a Run, B & B, put an x under R for Event 6.
Event 7, compare spin 10(B), to spin 3(B), it’s a Run, B & B, put an x under R for Event 7.
Event 8, compare spin 10(B), to spin 2(R), it’s a Change, B & R, put an x under C for event 8.
Event 9, compare spin 10(B), to spin 1(R), it’s a Change, B & R, put an x under C for event 9.
Next outcome for spin 11, is 33(B)
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 RC RC RC RC RC RC RC RC RC x x x x x x x x x (Red) x x x x x x x x x (Red)
Next outcome for spin 12, is 28(B)
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 RC RC RC RC RC RC RC RC RC x x x x x x x x x (Red) x x x x x x x x x (Red) x x x x x x x x x (Black)
Recap each spin you update the Runs & Changes for each event, comparing the last spin to the
previous 9 spins. But what’s those Reds and Blacks I put in Brackets and the end of each row?
We looked at lots of different ways of using the dots, I wont go into all of them now, because I just
want to concentrate on the way we use them now.
After each event has been updated, it will either point to Red or Black, lets look at the first row of
X’s we first look at each event to see if the Run or Change has the most dots(x’s)
Event 1, Run has the most x’s, look at spin 10 it was Black, so event 1 represents Black.
Event 2, Change has the most x’s, look at spin 9 it was Black, so event 2 represents Red.
Event 3, Change has the most x’s, look at spin 8 it was Red, so event 3 represents Black.
Event 4, Run has the most x’s, look at spin 7 it was Red, so event 4 represents Red.
Event 5, Change has the most x’s, look at spin 6, it was Black, so even 5 represents Red.
Event 6, Run has the most x’s, look at spin 5, it was Red, so event 6 represents Red.
Event 7, Run has the most x’s, look at spin 4, it was Black, so event 7 represents Black.
Event 8, Change has the most x’s, look at spin 3, it was Black, so event 8 represents Red.
Event 9, Change has the most x’s look at spin 2, it was Red, so event 9 represents Black.
So at the end of spin 10 we have 4 events representing Black & 5 events representing Red.
If you just took the we subtract the maximum from the minimum which leaves us 1 with Red, this is
all we used to do, but we also do is assign the difference for each event to the colour it represents,
so lets amuse we are at spin 20 for the session Event 1 is represented by Black, Runs have 9 &
Changes has 2, take away 2 from 9 = 7, so Black is assigned a value of 7, for event 1, we then total
up all the assigned values for the 9 events, grouping all the Reds together and all the Black, in this
example spin 20, Black had 28 points & Red had 7 points, giving us a difference of 21, giving
Black the color we will bet on in the next round.
One more thing, sometimes we could have a tie, where the Runs & Changes are equal, in such a
case no color will be represented for that event. There is a lot of information here, and I hope you can now understand why MOP could only track this method with only 6 events at the Casino, but he told me he could do it in about 1 minute!!
I understand the mechanics of this method but MOP will have to answer any questions as to how
and why he came up with the idea.
I’m sure there will be lots of questions, I have tried as best I could to make it simple to understand,
but ask and I will help any way I can.
malcop
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keep in mind that this IS NOT a system!
This is a tracking method and from it we will come up with a system.
So do NOT ask questions like : Where do I bet in this situation? etc.
To answer maui question of how we can track this …the answer is that it can only be tracked with a program…this is why i needed malcop in the1st place.
So if playing online(I don’t) you can have a excel tracker , but when playing in a real casino(I do) we must build a mobile program…in most casinos allow to use mobiles as long as you don’t stare in the wheel in each spin and pushing mobile buttons(because they are afraid of VB Rcs)
When I 1st came up with this tracking was to be able to find DEVIATIONS of the RUNS and CHANGES on the Ecs and bet the ones that were aligned with the same color(representing with 1 color the biggest deviation that was coming not from only 1 event but from more than 1).
It is supposed (if we leave out the GF) that the power of this tracking is coming from THE TOTAL DEVIATION OF MORE THAN ONE EVENT THAT IS REPRESENTED BY BETTING JUST 1 COLOR(OR E/O OR L/H).
My 1st thought was that 1 single event can get to a very big deviation(as ego has witness) and that by betting it we could lose….but if 3 or 4 events or more has come to deviation that can be bet with the same Ec then it would be safer to bet because it would be a rare thing for all of them to grow grow grow….
Malcop suggested to bet the grow of the deviations wile I suggested to bet the Correction of the deviations.
Now it in your judgment according to your logic and experience on the ecs deviations to make a system with rules from this concept of recording.
MOP
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I found the best way to understand this concept is to take baby steps.
So first of all just forget and trying to get bet selections, just concentrate on updating the events after each spin, maybe for practice just use 6 Events or maybe just 3, once you can update the events after each spin with confidence, then get to work on getting a bet direction after you have updated the events after each spin.
Once you have got the bare bones of this method, then you can starter to play around with it, like is it better to use Z=scores, or just use the difference between the counts(dots).
Remember this is not a system, it is a concept that can be applied in many ways how many is up to you, if you want a ready made system then this is not for you, but if you want something fresh, that with a bit of imagination used in multiple ways then this could be for you.
When I first started on this project for MOP I could not get my head around it, it took me a few days for the idea to sink in, but once it did it was a bit like a light bulb going on in my head.
I have already said in previous posts how I want to move forwarded with this concept, just to see where it goes, hopefully you will have in time your own ideas.
Weather there is a lot of interest in this thread or not, I will still be looking to see if I can exploit the concept.
A lot of you guys know me, and I’m on Skype need help just ask.
Mike
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I found the best way to understand this concept is to take baby steps.
So first of all just forget and trying to get bet selections, just concentrate on updating the events after each spin, maybe for practice just use 6 Events or maybe just 3, once you can update the events after each spin with confidence, then get to work on getting a bet direction after you have updated the events after each spin.
Once you have got the bare bones of this method, then you can starter to play around with it, like is it better to use Z=scores, or just use the difference between the counts(dots).
Remember this is not a system, it is a concept that can be applied in many ways how many is upto you, if you want a ready made system then this is not for you, but if you want something fresh, that with a bit of imagination used in multiple ways then this could be for you.
When I first started on this project for MOP I could not get my head around it, it took me a few days for the idea to sink in, but once it did it was a bit like a light bulb going on in my head.
I have already said in previous posts how I want to move forwarded with this concept, just to see where it goes, hopefully you will have in time your own ideas. Whether there is a lot of interest in this thread or not, I will still be looking to see if I can exploit the concept.
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“”Remember this is not a system, it is a concept that can be applied in many ways how many is up to you, if you want a ready made system then this is not for you, but if you want something fresh, that with a bit of imagination used in multiple ways then this could be for you.”””
This is exactly what I have posted 3-4 times in this thread before and after Malcop posted the explanation.
It s a very simple thing….If I would have a person here with me and show him with pen and papper he would understand this tracking of the Ecs(Runs and Changes) in just 1 minute.
The problem is that we are all far away and with words we are trying to explain what we mean.
In order to help you I will just say that :
We are talking the Last spin spun and we are comparing with the Previous spins(Ecs only)
Eg.
Last spin 31
2nd spin before(penultimate) 32
3d spin before 2
so we are taking the Last spin 31 and we compare with the spin before(penultimate).
31= Black , 32= Red …SO its a CHANGE
Next we are taking also the last spin 31 and we compare it with the 3d spin before
31=Black ,2=Black…So its a RUN
ITS REALY THAT SIMPLE
We do this in every spin for lets say 6 spins results….
On every new spin we are doing the same processes…
And after some spins we will have something like this(every comparing I name it EVENT). So if we have 6 spins we are having 5 events.(because the last spin will always be the spin that we compare with the rest spins(previous ones)
If we make the comparing with 3 previous spins we have 3 events
If we do it with 4 previous spins we have 4 events etc.
1Event 2Event 3 Event 4Event 5Event
Runs-Changes Runs-Changes Runs-Changes Runs-Changes Runs-Changes
X X X X X X X X
X X X X X X X
X X X X X
X X X
X X
(same table)
1Event 2Event 3 Event 4Event 5Event
Runs-Changes Runs-Changes Runs-Changes Runs-Changes Runs-Changes
X X X X X X X X
X X X X X X X
X X X X X
X X X
X X
This above is a example graph (result) of 5 events …..
In every new spin we are updating the Runs and the Changes on each event….